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there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go ahead and interview the suspect, future defendant without reading his miranda rights. the exception that they are citing is the public safety exception from a 1984 case, where a suspect was arrested after putting a loaded gun somewhere that supermarket. as the police were driving away, they asked him what he did with the gun, and he told them where it was. the police were able to recover a loaded gun. but in that case the danger to the public was immediate. here, i think we're talking about potentially interviewing this guy, the younger brother, when he wakes up in the hospital after the police have been sati
there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go...
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miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it because of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldo: say it in english. court or tribunal? >> oh, court or tribunal. i suspect we need to know a little more information but certainly looking like a military tribunal. >> geraldo: do you want it to be a military tribunal? >> depends on the facts but looks like yes, this was. >> geraldo: quadruple murder and four death sentences on this guy. >> i don't care what the guys were saying during the commercial break. a military tribunal done properly are does not give the defendant as many protections as a mere criminal in the united states. >> geraldo: robert first and then bo. >> i feel
miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it because of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldo: say it in english. court or...
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dzhokhar tsarnaev was charged without miranda, this is because federal authorities were able to implement the... the national threat exemption. and that will allow them to continue to question him. now, just on the other side of the police tape is a spontaneous celebration, beginning with people huddled around the radios, wanting to hear the latest information h. they got the information they wanted, cheers would erupt. ultimately, they lined both sides of the road and cheered for the emergency vehicles as they were leaving this scene. the tactical teams, the police officers, the national guardsmen, all got cheers. the crowd would erupt and chanted u-s-a! u-s-a ?ft and patriotic songs, as the people here endured so much the last couple of days, very glad to see this chapter of the trag fee tragedy is over. >> we will see you again. >> what is next here? joining us now, the criminal defense attorney, james shalloc, familiar with cases involving multiple murders. he prosecuted son of sam killer, david brcko wits. i have to think, the most powerful evidence may be the videotape, the day of t
dzhokhar tsarnaev was charged without miranda, this is because federal authorities were able to implement the... the national threat exemption. and that will allow them to continue to question him. now, just on the other side of the police tape is a spontaneous celebration, beginning with people huddled around the radios, wanting to hear the latest information h. they got the information they wanted, cheers would erupt. ultimately, they lined both sides of the road and cheered for the emergency...
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miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it because of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldo: say it in english. court or tribunal? >> oh, court or tribunal. i suspect we need to know a little more information but certainly looking like a military tribunal. >> geraldo: do you want it to be a military tribunal? >> depends on the facts but looks like yes, this was. >> geraldo: quadruple murder and four death sentences on this guy. >> i don't care what the guys were saying during the commercial break. a military tribunal done properly are does not give the defendant as many protections as a mere criminal in the united states. >> geraldo: robert first and then bo. >> i feel
miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it because of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldo: say it in english. court or...
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we do know they decided there would be no miranda rights so the questioning could begin right away. a matter o
we do know they decided there would be no miranda rights so the questioning could begin right away. a matter o
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no miranda rights were read to the suspect here last night. a justice department official says the bombing suspect won't be read the miranda rights because of a public saflt exception. so what is the next judicial step? let's ask the executive director of the american center for law and justice. good morning. i think a lot of folks are not familiar with this public safety exemption. why invoke that at this time? >> usually it's rare, it would be an instance where there is a gun or some kind of in this situation, unexploded bombs. it's important for people to understand, this is not the most extreme move. what you get from this is very limited interrogation and on top of that, it has to be directed questions. what does that mean? the questions can only go to minimizing and eliminating the immediate emergency. because that's why you've invoked this exception to the miranda warning which is required by supreme court precedent. but they did carve this out. >> the u.s. government is concerned about any potential new attacks so they want to limit th
no miranda rights were read to the suspect here last night. a justice department official says the bombing suspect won't be read the miranda rights because of a public saflt exception. so what is the next judicial step? let's ask the executive director of the american center for law and justice. good morning. i think a lot of folks are not familiar with this public safety exemption. why invoke that at this time? >> usually it's rare, it would be an instance where there is a gun or some...
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i don't think the miranda argument is particularly important in the end. they'll convict him if he lives. and if they don't give him miranda warnings, maybe they'll get more information about if there are other individual involved in this conspiracy. >> do you think that's part of it? other individuals involved? as someone who's been in the situations before, how big a concern is that, of the decisions tonight? >> sure. it's not about getting additional evidence against him. the public safety exception is to find out whether or not there is explosive devices out there that would cause some harm to the public -- >> which they're worried about. they don't know where all the pipe bomb went. >> sure. it's an absolute right to use the public safety exception in these circumstances. or is there an act of conspiracy beyond him and his brother. that's important for law enforcement to get to the heart of that as quickly as possible. >> that's an important point. we've been talking about, you know, they thought during the day that he could have some of those pipe bo
i don't think the miranda argument is particularly important in the end. they'll convict him if he lives. and if they don't give him miranda warnings, maybe they'll get more information about if there are other individual involved in this conspiracy. >> do you think that's part of it? other individuals involved? as someone who's been in the situations before, how big a concern is that, of the decisions tonight? >> sure. it's not about getting additional evidence against him. the...
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so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst, peter bergen, joining us. peter has written extensively on al qaeda and osama bin laden. peter, i appreciate you joining us. what are the questions that you are most interested in learning about these two, in particular about motivation and their operational capability? >> well, first of all, anderson, i think it's very interesting that they were able to detonate two bombs almost simultaneously. i think that's pretty hard. it suggests either practice in the united states or training elsewhere or perhaps both. we've had terrorists who have gone overseas who have tried to d
so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst,...
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he probably doesn't understand the miranda warnings at this point. >> allen, thank you. [ male announcer ] when you're at the corner of "multivitamin" and "multiple choice," come to walgreens for help finding the one that's right for you... like centrum. now, get four dollars off select centrum products with balance rewards card. at the corner of happy and healthy. for over 30 years. and it's now the most doctor recommended, the most preferred and the most studied. so when it comes to getting the most out of your multivitamin, the choice is clear. centrum. the choice is clear. when i take a picture of this check, it goes straight to the bank. oh. oh look the lion is out! no mommy no! don't worry honey, it only works on checks. deposit checks from your smartphone with chase quickdeposit. just snap a picture, hit send and done. take a step forward and chase what matters. >>> as the manhunt for suspect number two intensified, family members went in front of the camera delivering very different messages. the brothers were vilified by their uncle, but not by their parents. >> translator: he g
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rights we have been told that clear is a public safety clause that allows the government do not read miranda rights immediately so that he does not have the right to remain silent because there is a public safety threat to make sure there is no other plot out there of the senators john mccain and the gramm put out a statement saying'' mack wheat remaining under threat from radical islam we hope the obama administration seriously considered the enemy combat and option. what that means is this suspect it could go to the military court system but the president signaled the opposite to read between the lines that he believes what distinguishes america is the several civilian court system to uphold our values. he is getting pressure to name him the enemy combat in to that with the two other things he is signaling if he survives go through the civilian court system. >> it appears he will@ survive for cut end henry live. the last time we heard from the authorities at the 6:00 eastern time the news was not good at all and they told the people they cannot find a second suspect and they were lifting t
rights we have been told that clear is a public safety clause that allows the government do not read miranda rights immediately so that he does not have the right to remain silent because there is a public safety threat to make sure there is no other plot out there of the senators john mccain and the gramm put out a statement saying'' mack wheat remaining under threat from radical islam we hope the obama administration seriously considered the enemy combat and option. what that means is this...
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once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask for forgiveness. pete, i think -- are you still hearing me, pete? nope. >> oh, there i hear you now. sorry. i hear you now. >> oh, you can hear me now. little bit of technical difficulty. but it's the kind of thing that asking for forgiveness. i guess i ask from a broader justice perspective. if he does cooperate, despite the heinous nature of the activities that he will, in all likelihood be accused of, murder, the mayhem, the terrorism in the bombing of the boston marathon, is there anything for him to be gained from a legal perspective by cooperation? >> well, he avoids the death penalty. which -- well although in the federal case, i'm not sure about th
once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask for forgiveness. pete, i think -- are you still...
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lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when there's a public safety emergency we don't have to give miranda warnings. this is going to be very, very controversial, and then senator mccain under the ante by saying this is an enemy combatant and you should treat the case in accordance with the rules of war. what that means is mccain is saying the guy doesn't deserve a jury trial. he's going to be, i don't know whether mccain is suggesting he'd be shipped off to guantanamo, which that would be a radical departure from the way justice is handled in the united states, particularly where a naturalized american citizen is involved and at
lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when...
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investigators did not read him his miranda rights when he was captured. they invoked what they call the public safety exception. it permits law enforcement officials to interrogate a suspect and use that information as direct evident in court, and that is causing some controversy out there. let's talk about that. we'll talk about that in a few moments. also want to talk about other issues. joining us, former u.s. attorney doug jones who led the prosecutor against eric ruduffel, the 1996 atlanta olympic bomber. thank you for joining us. first of all, let's talk about this video. this video that has now surfaced that cnn has confirmed, a well known jihadist in dagestan who himself was killed in december, the video was posted on tamerlan tsarnaev's youtube channel. since then, it's been deleted. what does that say, if you're a u.s. attorney investigating this case, what does that say to you? >> well, wolf, i think it would be one of two things. there obviously could be some contact since he traveled over that way. there could have been some contact. there co
investigators did not read him his miranda rights when he was captured. they invoked what they call the public safety exception. it permits law enforcement officials to interrogate a suspect and use that information as direct evident in court, and that is causing some controversy out there. let's talk about that. we'll talk about that in a few moments. also want to talk about other issues. joining us, former u.s. attorney doug jones who led the prosecutor against eric ruduffel, the 1996 atlanta...
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he's now arrested he was not read his miranda rights. federal agents electing, instead, to invoke the public safety threat exemption. th allows them to continue questioning him. meantime, on the other side of the police tape, as everything was happening here, of the celebrations were building. people were huddled around radios, as they got news they wanted to hear, cheers went out from the people of this little town, watertown. and after it was all done, a great cheer went out and spontaneously the people elected toine both sides of the road. forming a gauntlet, a makeshift parade as the emergency crews and tactical teams started leaving this location. they cheered for them, came out with patriotic songs. some of the people said they're glad it's over, they're glad that the suspect survived because he can be questioned. they also said that now is the time to remember people like sean collier, the massachusetts institute of technology campus policeman who was killed in the early stages of that frenzy and chase that ensued a day or so ago.
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the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the follow-up. >> all right. thank you so much for those insights. up next, the international connection. a whole host of theories about the boller's motives. what if anything did his beck ground play? ♪ if loving you is wrong ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell h
the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the...
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they have suggested that there's an exception to miranda for public safety which we all know there is. i think they've been very extravagant in assuming they'll get the largest possible exception under the law and the reality is in different circuits that exception is interpreted differently. >> if they think they don't have to give the guy the miranda rights, you have the right to remain silent and right to an attorney, they think we have a big exemption, before they wofer that and try to get all of the information from the person and it may come back to bite them because some jurisdictions don't see it that way. >> absolutely right. in some places if you're a dangerous offender you get a long exception. in others, it doesn't matter how dangerous you are, if police basically rendered you-- >> what should happen. if we identify the person what do you think as a doj think next. >> in the person fits the definition of enany combatant, al-qaeda affiliate or someone we're at war with, that president obama could order the assassination of if that person was in yemen, that person belongs in
they have suggested that there's an exception to miranda for public safety which we all know there is. i think they've been very extravagant in assuming they'll get the largest possible exception under the law and the reality is in different circuits that exception is interpreted differently. >> if they think they don't have to give the guy the miranda rights, you have the right to remain silent and right to an attorney, they think we have a big exemption, before they wofer that and try...
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turns to gathering incriminating evidence against him, there will be a necessity to advise him of his miranda warnings. they are probably discussing the timing, the first priority to protect the public. but they don't want to jeopardize their case. but there is no much evidence, my guess that will be a lesser consideration in their deliberations. >> you are right. the public safety exemption-- the interrogation has to be limited and focused. but that's not the case if he were to be declared an enemy combatant. now senator lindsay graham says he should be declared an enemy combatant so a thorough interrogation, a lengthy one without limits could be undertaken. would you agree with that? >> i know, i think it's hard to judge from a distance, without greater information. so, no, i wouldn't be calling to treat him as an enemy combatant without more information. the consequence is, you treat him like an enemy combatant, you may have a longer interview that may or may not give you better information than if you mirandize him. but it poses a real problem, in terms of prosecutes him and bringing him
turns to gathering incriminating evidence against him, there will be a necessity to advise him of his miranda warnings. they are probably discussing the timing, the first priority to protect the public. but they don't want to jeopardize their case. but there is no much evidence, my guess that will be a lesser consideration in their deliberations. >> you are right. the public safety exemption-- the interrogation has to be limited and focused. but that's not the case if he were to be...
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mirandaizeing someone per tains to a custodial investigation. if you're going to be using confessions and admissions in that interrogation, subsequently in a court trial, in this instance they probably have a pretty good case. they've made a decision that the public safety now mandates trying to do everything they can to get him to talk to them. now the entire case also will swing towards motivation. what did these people do this for? why did he they do this? what we found as we started looking more into serial bombers and serial killers is that serial bombers are really idealogues. they don't do it for personal gain or not notoriety. they do it for the ideology. >> the cause. quick question. only 15 second. what are the chances that he talks? it seems that the older brother may have been the one that began on this path. what are the chab chances that y actually get this suspect to talk, assuming he lives? >> he may very well talk. theoreric rudolph didn't talk t, but saddam hussein talked to us eventually. this man may very well talk to us. whe
mirandaizeing someone per tains to a custodial investigation. if you're going to be using confessions and admissions in that interrogation, subsequently in a court trial, in this instance they probably have a pretty good case. they've made a decision that the public safety now mandates trying to do everything they can to get him to talk to them. now the entire case also will swing towards motivation. what did these people do this for? why did he they do this? what we found as we started looking...
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these are things only obtained if he doesn't get the miranda rights. public safety exceptions will expire in 24 hours. he can lawyer up. >> that's what happened in the case of the underwear bomber, nigerian who tried to blow up a plane over the united states on christmas day 2009. he was a foreign citizen and read his miranda rights after 50 minutes. there was criticism at the time that they were unable to mine him for information how the plot developed overseas suspect is in supermax prison in colorado. >> the 48-hour thing is not an absolute fixed time period. oh, by the way, military commissions which have not secured any convictions, really, against anyone since 9/11, there is a right to council and there procedures, too. all of which keep getting tested. don't work. >> enemy combatant has nothing to do with the military commissions. >> dzhokhar tsarnaev could be deemed enemy combatant and still tried in a civilian court, which is what happened the w jose padilla in the past. it's not done often and justice department is in unchartered waters for h
these are things only obtained if he doesn't get the miranda rights. public safety exceptions will expire in 24 hours. he can lawyer up. >> that's what happened in the case of the underwear bomber, nigerian who tried to blow up a plane over the united states on christmas day 2009. he was a foreign citizen and read his miranda rights after 50 minutes. there was criticism at the time that they were unable to mine him for information how the plot developed overseas suspect is in supermax...
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the miranda right can be read at a later time. he has reportedly been shot through the throat, he is incubated and he can't talk now. there is time to do the investigation, to make a clear assessment and move from there. so i really regret all of this discussion. which is creating a conflict that need not be there. the administration is redty foreadyfor this. >> chris: let me bring in congressman king. despite the comments of feinstein do you think dzhokhar tsarnaev should be treated as enemy combatant? >> i think he should be treated as enemy combatant. there are so many questions unanswered and so many potential links to terrorism here. the battlefield was not in the united states so i believe he's enemy combatant. he would not be tried before military commission. he would be tried in civilian court and the statements taken from him cannot be used against him in the trial. right now, one of the only links we have as the chechen involve in the al-qaeda mov movement. are there other conspirators out there? where do they get the ra
the miranda right can be read at a later time. he has reportedly been shot through the throat, he is incubated and he can't talk now. there is time to do the investigation, to make a clear assessment and move from there. so i really regret all of this discussion. which is creating a conflict that need not be there. the administration is redty foreadyfor this. >> chris: let me bring in congressman king. despite the comments of feinstein do you think dzhokhar tsarnaev should be treated as...
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so whether or not you read miranda to this man when he wakes up, we know that medically he's unable to talk right now, he still knows he has a right to remain silent. so i'm not sure the enemy combatant label is going to sick. >> enemy combatant, that status is a bad idea. allen dur sho witch told piers morgan that there is no way a person in boston could be tried as an enemy dock bat tant. that's ignorance of the law. who is right here. >> it's too early to tell, but he is the guru. what he's pointing out is you do not want to mess this up. you don't want to get a confession or information without ma ran diezing him if in fact you cannot later label him as an enemy combatant then anything he says is subject to be so pressed and not in a court of law. go ahead, give him counsel, he's not going to get bond, ma ran diez him and conduct a thorough investigation so everything staunds up when we get him into a court of law. >> okay. there is no state death penalty in massachusetts. so the death penalty off the table in. >> no. don, this is an interesting thing. he is be charged by both fede
so whether or not you read miranda to this man when he wakes up, we know that medically he's unable to talk right now, he still knows he has a right to remain silent. so i'm not sure the enemy combatant label is going to sick. >> enemy combatant, that status is a bad idea. allen dur sho witch told piers morgan that there is no way a person in boston could be tried as an enemy dock bat tant. that's ignorance of the law. who is right here. >> it's too early to tell, but he is the...
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so, we understand that this guy dzhokhar has been given miranda rights in the hospital. he has an attorney appointed to him. some are saying and the "wall street journal" is saying among them that's not smart. they could have labeled him an enemy combatant and intear gaysed him without all the protections and you say? >> well, i think the white house has made a calculation the department of justifiable has made a cool could you legs that they can bring this person, i'm sorry, to justice, and also get the information that may be important to prevent future attacks and also provide answers that may help bring closure to the victims and the families of the victims. you know, there are some challenges, of course, with respect to the designation of enemy combatant. people forget that once that happens, dealing with an american citizen and what he will do is file habeas petition challenging that designation, raising again this question does the president on his own authority can he designate an american citizen enemy combatant which was an issue that came up with al awlaki. wh
so, we understand that this guy dzhokhar has been given miranda rights in the hospital. he has an attorney appointed to him. some are saying and the "wall street journal" is saying among them that's not smart. they could have labeled him an enemy combatant and intear gaysed him without all the protections and you say? >> well, i think the white house has made a calculation the department of justifiable has made a cool could you legs that they can bring this person, i'm sorry, to...
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but at some point in time, go with miranda, that's fine. but in the initial stages, we don't want to repeat with the underwear bomber. >> brian: which is hours after, he lawyered up and shut up. >> this idea combatant versus criminal, i'm not particularly in the enemy combatant point from everything i'm hearing. >> gretchen: let me ask you about the cameras. so many people were fascinated by the amazing work the f.b.i. did do initially and going through hundreds and thousands of images, finding these two guys. is this a call now for more cameras in big cities? >> certainly. this is an evolution. i'm just back from london, which is probably the most failed city in the -- survveiled city in the world. we're getting money to put coordinated cameras, public safety cameras into new york. holding back most american cities now are funds. they're laying police officers. if they can't hire police, they don't have money for cameras. most of the images i saw related to the identification of these two kids were from private cameras, lord & taylor, diff
but at some point in time, go with miranda, that's fine. but in the initial stages, we don't want to repeat with the underwear bomber. >> brian: which is hours after, he lawyered up and shut up. >> this idea combatant versus criminal, i'm not particularly in the enemy combatant point from everything i'm hearing. >> gretchen: let me ask you about the cameras. so many people were fascinated by the amazing work the f.b.i. did do initially and going through hundreds and thousands...
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miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i don't know what the secretary means when she said ping. what is clear to me from my past experience, the united states of america has no viable entry-exit system. we aren't able to track people as
miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing,...
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but one of the issues is whether or not he will be given his miranda rights. is he a u.s. citizen? and under the constitution considered innocent until proven guilty? is he an enemy combatant? >> that's one of the political arguments happening in this town right now. you end up having people from the aclu, other supporters of civil liberties in saying that people like timothy mcvay who was a domestic terrorist was read miranda rights and the same thing should happen to the brothers. on the other hand you do have the same two senators i just talked about on immigration legislation, john mccain and lindsey graham who said this person is a terrorist should not have miranda rights. it seems the obama administration is going to be straddling the middle ground as they did a couple years ago in that you wait some time before giving them their miranda rights to make sure there's no types of threats to the public safety before reading those rights. and that seems to be the course the obama administration will be taking. >> your network is the subject of two articles i want to bring to our a
but one of the issues is whether or not he will be given his miranda rights. is he a u.s. citizen? and under the constitution considered innocent until proven guilty? is he an enemy combatant? >> that's one of the political arguments happening in this town right now. you end up having people from the aclu, other supporters of civil liberties in saying that people like timothy mcvay who was a domestic terrorist was read miranda rights and the same thing should happen to the brothers. on...
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don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably see the rand pauls, the far right come around and defend his rights and vice versa, but this is something that we saw fought over time and time again when george bush was president. ironically, three republican senators or at least the two, mccain and graham were defending the liberal point of view saying don't torture. >> the argument, should the suspect be treated as part of al qaeda and taliban basically. it was authorization for use of force. the question is does it even apply? >> right. >> and will it matter. and then the other question you're going to get to is if we had been warned by t
don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably...
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they'll question him without reading him the miranda rights. invoking a rare public safety exception they only have a few minutes. >> 50 minutes approximately. this is a bit controversial. we'll see how they proceed with that. we're expecting files to be charged soon, perhaps as early as tuesday. he could be charged with using weapons of mass destruction. this 19-year-old could be facing the death sentence. several public defenders have offered to represent him. we'll see if it comes to that or if he hires his own attorney. >> we have team coverage this morning and we start with abc's byron pitts in boston. good morning, byron. >> reporter: good morning, bianna. six local boston churches will hold an interfaith service later today for the victims and survivors of monday's bombings. meantime, law enforcement is focused on suspect number two, here at beth israel hospital. this morning, police and federal agents are anxiously waiting to question the man who sparked nearly a week-long man hunt. that ended in a spray of bullets. overnight this new v
they'll question him without reading him the miranda rights. invoking a rare public safety exception they only have a few minutes. >> 50 minutes approximately. this is a bit controversial. we'll see how they proceed with that. we're expecting files to be charged soon, perhaps as early as tuesday. he could be charged with using weapons of mass destruction. this 19-year-old could be facing the death sentence. several public defenders have offered to represent him. we'll see if it comes to...
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they won't give him his miranda warning about his right to remain silent. they will simply use a federal law, a rule, that says when there's an issue of public safety, they can use an exception to the miranda rule that allows them to find out if there's any imminent threats, any additional accomplices, any other plots, any other explosives out there. but that only lasts, say, maybe two days and then they'll have to give him his miranda warning. and the justice department says often even in cases like this people continue to talk anyway. >> even though he wasn't mirandized and that was a question that was asked last night at the briefing -- >> right. >> -- right after he was taken into custody, he doesn't lose his rights, right? >> well, he has -- that's right. i mean, he doesn't have to say -- he can't be compelled to talk. if he refuses -- if he just sits there and doesn't answer any questions, they can't make him answer the questions. but the one right that is sort of suspended is, normally speaking if the police ask -- if you're in custody and the police
they won't give him his miranda warning about his right to remain silent. they will simply use a federal law, a rule, that says when there's an issue of public safety, they can use an exception to the miranda rule that allows them to find out if there's any imminent threats, any additional accomplices, any other plots, any other explosives out there. but that only lasts, say, maybe two days and then they'll have to give him his miranda warning. and the justice department says often even in...
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. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over. and you're right, the enemy combatant thing was a nonstarter from the never going to happen. this is a criminal case in federal court in massachusetts, and that's where it will stay until it's resolved one way or another. >> it's going to take a while. thanks very much, jeffrey. much more on what's going on in this boston investigation coming up here in "the situation room" 0. >>> also, another terror plot released today, new information. canadian authorities announcing the arrest of two men believed to be part of a terror plot to attack a passenger train that may have been heading towards the united states,
. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over....
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from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he might end up suffering. from what i've read and what i've seen, he's clearly as culpable as his brother. the videos that they picked up, and the statements that he made to the driver of the suv, all would indicate that he was a willing participant in this crime, and also the fact that he fled from the scene would further indicate his willingness to participate in this crime. however, any influence that he might have suffered from his brother, his brother's influence on him, may again go to mitigate any penalty that might be imposed upon him. whether he ends up getting the death penalty or whether he ends up
from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he...
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recovering from gunshot wounds and as investigators continue to swear gate him, a judge gave him his miranda right and now lawmakers fear this legal action unknowingly took the death center off the table. listen to what senators had to say on the senate floor earlier today. >> how do you get the death penalty when the only way you can get information out of the suspect is to go through his lawyer? you can't have this national security interrogation where there's no lawyer to get information to protect against a future tact tick that can't be used in the trial. don't you think the lawyer is going to say i'm not going to have my client talk to you unless you promise not to seek the death penalty? >> i would say that the senator from south carolina, i don't know how that was 'nibble this case. any defense lawyer, as they should to defend their client, there's no way they oill allow that individual who committed the terrorist attack in boston to speak to one investigator now if we get additional information, we have follow-up questions, without taking the death penalty off the table. >> so did t
recovering from gunshot wounds and as investigators continue to swear gate him, a judge gave him his miranda right and now lawmakers fear this legal action unknowingly took the death center off the table. listen to what senators had to say on the senate floor earlier today. >> how do you get the death penalty when the only way you can get information out of the suspect is to go through his lawyer? you can't have this national security interrogation where there's no lawyer to get...
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any time we question him about his guilt or innocence, he's entitled to his miranda rights and a lawyer. but we have the right under our law -- i've been a military lawyer for 30 years, to gather intelligence from enemy combatants. and a citizen can be an enemy combatant. he is not eligible for military commission trial. i wrote the military commission in 2009. he cannot go to military commission. >> so a civil trial no matter what. right. >> in my view a civil trial, it should be a federal trial. >> right. and senator schumer, i know you agree this should go to a federal court. i want to quick read you something that one of your colleagues said. this is from senator carl levin, the chairman of the armed services committee. and in response to senator graham and others saying this man needs to be treated as a terrorist, this is what senator levin said. i am not aware of any evidence so far that the boston suspect is part of any organized group let alone al qaeda, the taliban or within of their affiliates. to hold the suspect as an enemy combatant under these circumstances would be contra
any time we question him about his guilt or innocence, he's entitled to his miranda rights and a lawyer. but we have the right under our law -- i've been a military lawyer for 30 years, to gather intelligence from enemy combatants. and a citizen can be an enemy combatant. he is not eligible for military commission trial. i wrote the military commission in 2009. he cannot go to military commission. >> so a civil trial no matter what. right. >> in my view a civil trial, it should be a...
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as you know there was a public safety exemption before he was read his miranda rights. so there was time when law enforcement had the opportunity to talk to him before he had quote/unquote lawyered up. but we don't know yet whether or not this information came before he said he understood his rights, or after. >> all right, jake tapper, terrific reporting. great to have you here this morning. >> thanks, john. >> don't miss "the lead" every day at 4:00. we're also learning more this morning about -- we're learning more this morning about criminal complaints against tsarnaev detailing step by step how the deadly attack on the boston marathon unfolded. our coverage continues this morning with miguel marquez outside best israel deaconess medical center right here in boston. good morning, miguel. >> good morning, john. this is the criminal complaint that contains what we expect are the first charges. we'll see many more against mr. tsarnaev. in the criminal complaint, investigators built a minute by minute account of the tsarnaev brothers as they moved the crowds at the mara
as you know there was a public safety exemption before he was read his miranda rights. so there was time when law enforcement had the opportunity to talk to him before he had quote/unquote lawyered up. but we don't know yet whether or not this information came before he said he understood his rights, or after. >> all right, jake tapper, terrific reporting. great to have you here this morning. >> thanks, john. >> don't miss "the lead" every day at 4:00. we're also...
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was one of four republican lawmakers that released a statement yesterday applauding the suspension of miranda rights for the teenage suspect. he even suggested we haven't gone far enough. and advocated for labeling the suspect an enemy combatant. by defining this week's events as terrorism, we endow the violence with political meaning. when we call their homemade bombs but not adam lanza's bush master xm 15 rifle weapons of mass destruction, we sent out a trajectory for the prosecution when we focus on months that one suspect spent overseas rather than the years that both spent in the u.s. we assume a limited geography for the incubation of evil. so here we go. the crisis is over and the politics begin. folks, this is actually the most dangerous part. with me at the table today is msnbc contributor and georgetown university professor, michael eric dyson. valerie core, a writer and fi filmmak filmmaker. co-host of the cycle and robert pape, director of the project security and -- >> bb, let me start with you. what do you think happened this week? >> what i think happened is we had homegrown te
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he was read his miranda rights from his hospital and he will have access to a lawyer. the 19-year-old has been described as cooperative during questioning. forced to write his answers or nod yes or no. he told officials he and his brother came up with the idea for the attacks on their own, finding internet resources to learn how to make bombs. he has been assigned three public defenders and could very well face the death penalty. a weekend search of dzhokhar's college dorm room turned up a black jacket, a white hat and similar to the one in the surveillance photos he was allegedly wearing. investigators also want to question tamerlan tsarnaev's wife. the couple initially met at a nightclub. she later converted to islam, dropped out of college and had a child with him. her attorney has said that she had no suspicions that her husband might be plotting an attack. hundreds of people stood in silence at copley square at 2:50 p.m. one week after the bombings. president obama marked the moment of silence from the white house. the u.s. senate held a similar tribute on capitol
he was read his miranda rights from his hospital and he will have access to a lawyer. the 19-year-old has been described as cooperative during questioning. forced to write his answers or nod yes or no. he told officials he and his brother came up with the idea for the attacks on their own, finding internet resources to learn how to make bombs. he has been assigned three public defenders and could very well face the death penalty. a weekend search of dzhokhar's college dorm room turned up a...